Over the past several days, the comments section on TLS has seen no shortage of criticism directed at Toms River and its residents, particularly regarding standards of Yiddishkeit and the way the community conducts itself.
While spirited discussion is one thing, what has emerged in some of these conversations goes far beyond debate; it has become unfair labeling and sweeping judgment.
There is a difference between sharing a personal experience and painting an entire town with one broad brush. Speaking negatively about a full community based on a handful of encounters takes a level of certainty that simply is not justified. No town, no kehillah, and no community can be accurately defined by a few stories, a few individuals, or a few assumptions.
Toms River is not a monolith.
Yes, many residents may have roots in places like Flatbush or elsewhere. But since when did that become a point of criticism? Does coming from a different background somehow diminish a person’s values, commitment, or standing? Communities are built by people from varied experiences, and those differences often strengthen rather than weaken the whole.
There are many chashuve balabatim in Toms River; individuals deeply committed to Torah, family, and communal growth. Many happen to be working professionals, just as there are in Lakewood and in countless other frum communities. Earning a livelihood does not place someone outside the framework of serious Yiddishkeit, nor should it make them the subject of casual dismissal.
What some comments have revealed is not a concern for standards, but a troubling tendency to stereotype. Labeling an entire town based on assumptions about who lives there, what they do for work, what type of businesses they have there or where they came from is simply wrong.
Every growing community has its own identity, its own challenges, and its own strengths. Toms River is no different. It is a place where families are building lives, where Torah is growing, and where people are striving in their own ways to create a meaningful and committed environment.
Constructive critique has its place. But ridicule and broad condemnation do not.
Communities should not be pitted against one another in a contest of who is more authentic or more worthy. Such thinking only creates unnecessary fractures.
It is possible to acknowledge differences without turning them into faults. It is possible to discuss communal trends without reducing entire populations to caricatures.
Most importantly, it is possible, and necessary, to remember that behind every town name are real people, real families, and real lives.
Toms River deserves that basic fairness. So does every community.
A Pashuteh TR Balabus who learns the Daf.
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Yes, the TR bashing has really not been ok! Thanks for reminding everyone.
A Lakewood resident
Smearing an entire community because youre jealous is Motzi Shem.Ra. a despicable sin. Worse than any sins you imagine Toms River residents to be guilty of.
Even if it’s not because they are jealous, it is still motzi shem ra.
Welcome to Lakewood!
It seems you are new around here…
sounds like you have chip on your shoulder
Aha, so TR bashing is not OK, but LKWD bashing is, eh?!?!
For your information, let’s do the numbers.
I truly believe about 9,000 people read the original article. Only 5 people wrote negative on Toms River. That is a very tiny percentage.
Some people are so silly, because when you bad mouth someone, what happens is, according to the
חפץ חיים זכר צדיק וקדוש לברכה
Many of your Mitzvos and Torah learning, the reward is being sent to Toms River and some of the Aveiros goes to the person who spoke negative.
The reason why I said that he is silly because after you speak Lashon HaRah, what did you truly gain, a winning lottery ticket, nice furniture, a new car, free tuition.
who was Tom?
In the 1600’s an Indian ran a trading post on t he River
People called him Tom,
He was a prominent individual who lived in Sawyer, MI. He moved to NJ and they named a river after him. And then they named the entire town where the river was situated after him and the river.
100%
Lakewood is not coming in any less in the hate that pepper have towards it, yes Tom’s River is a majority of more to the “ knowledgeable” people, and I respect everyone in their way to serve Hashem, but if you represent yourself a certain way you gotta be able to take the heat….
What do you mean?
What?! I hope you understand what you said because no one else did
You say “Yes many residents have roots in places like Flatbush”
so you’re ok with labeling Flatbush??
Yeah, only Lakewood bashing is permitted.
Nobody bashes Lakewood…
This letter happens to be 100% right. I actually proudly live in Lakewood, but this stereotype is all to make these people feel good about themselves. I remember when not too long ago that’s how they spoke about “balbatish 14th St.”, and guess what, many talmidei chachimim yereim ushlaimim came out of 14th st.
lol truer words have not been spoken.
especially when we are the first to be targeted for all the campaigns…..
seems like our money is good just not us add ppl…
Lol. 100 percent correct.
Especially when we are the first to be targeted for all the campaigns. Our money is kosher just not us as ppl…
Good point. Especially when we are the first ones targeted for all the campaigns. Our money is good just not us as ppl
I needed to pick up something along north maple ave in TR ,My daughter asked me why all these high school looking girls taking walks along that road have smartphones and short skirts , I didnt have a choice but to say that alot of ppl in TR are Modern that is the reality you have to take heat and I now understand the mosdos prespective as well when you act a certain way that is against the values of most frum hiemishe lkwd families you should take the heat your literally begging for it
Go to a bunch of developments in Lakewood and you will see worse. This happens everywhere and to stereotype is anti jewish
Those ppl in the developments takah belong in TR
Don’t be so “concerned”.
You didn’t have a choice? I don’t get it.
“People dress differently and serve Hashem differently. Our standards and their standards are 2 different things.” Genugshoin.
Stop the eiruv rav liberalisim there is one standard called SHULCHAN ARUCH
Why ? don’t you & your daughter sit down & learn the halachos of loshon hora……..
The second you says you live in toms River all of a sudden you are the meat board maven and all of a sudden they want to rent your pool
I think all of us are very normal like every other jew you will meet in any other Jewish community.
This hurts us especially when it comes to getting our kids into school. Right away we are stereotyped and rejected.
Go to certain developments in Lakewood and you will see much worse than anywhere.
Ask your rabbi or rebbitzin why specific children are Not accepted into specific schools. It’s usually because the children amd family are dressing in ways that are not meeting the guidelines of school represents. Or other guidelines the school and it’s rabbincial committee has developed. The same goes with having smartphones. Even non Orthodox and no jews are limiting or banning usage of smartphones and social media for under 18.
Every family has struggles and siblings should not be punished for their siblings level of dress. If they live in Lakewood or toms river or anywhere. Not saying the system is perfect.
But dont flaunt your ways that is directly against what the mosdos and the community they are servicing expect and then expect your child to get into that school or yeshiva. Unfortunately many have.
If you or your child is going into a store dressed below the level of tziniyis you will be seen. Dont blame the community that built the infrastructure to allow you to move here..
“A Pashuteh Balabus who learns the Daf” is exactly the sterotype that people are criticizing when they talk about Toms River.
100% correct
Why are you bashing Flatbush letter writer? So you can bash Flatbush and no one else who are you to talk down about Flatbush. what is wrong with u
Obviously anyone who puts all occupants of a place that is so obviously not homogeneous into one basket is either lacking seichel or is trying to deflect their own issues. Those are the only rational explanations for such a disconnect from reality.
I’ve heard a Rebbe describe people as “Tom’s River Chasidim”. Meaning they don’t care for an affiliation I want to do whatever they see fit
As a former Lakewood resident for many years who moved to Toms River. unfortunately the labeling from people who never previously lived in Lakewood or learned in bmg easily knock lakewood especially those who are yeshivish ir different
. There are respect needed in both directions. Ans respect for what good has come and was developed by the rosh hamosdos, yesivos, organizations and stores that set the infrastructure of this area before the new residents moved into this area. There is some level of When in Rome…. not saying everything is perfect but there is a need to respect the people and the values that Lakewood was built on. That includes lifestyles, level of materialism, dress and more.
Bad talking Lakewood stores because in flatbush is xyz bagels is also loshon hara.
This is funny. You think your cult doesn’t have a blanket criticism of every other group?
To illustrate the seriousness of this conversation, i would like to address the headline.
Blankets in Toms river are the same blankets as everywhere else. There should be no criticisim of any blankets anywhere.