1. just wondering why ten men who already had the virus couldnt make a minyan? and since when did we not do mitzvos because of aiva

   • If you listen to the recording of Rabbi Forshiemer on the Lakewood Scoop he says the poskim bring down cases when you are MECALAL SHABBOS because of Aiva. Also he says its Pikuach Nefashos because it cause Drs and nurses not to treat patients good. Maybe listen to his recording.

   • Do yourself a favor and listen to R’ Forscheimers audio posted today on the scoop before commenting.

     There have been many similar psakim including from R’ Shlomo Miller.

     Besides for those psakim, anybody with a Jewish background knows how many Yiddin have been killed due to aiva.

     Also, since you have internet, do a bit of research on Covid-19 and you will have your answer in regards to why we can not have gatherings with people who already have the virus.

     I usually don’t comment, but felt compelled to, in case someone without knowledge may take your gibberish seriously.

   • From a scientific standpoint: There is no guarantee that somebody who has already recovered from the virus cannot contract it again, we do not know how long the antibodies remain in the bloodstream or how the virus mutates, so the traditional “rules of immunity” may not apply.

     As for the Aiva question, it’s not just the aiva in itself, but as r forscheimer stated, there are rumors that medical professionals who are hearing about Jewish gatherings are not giving Jewish patients the proper care because they feel like the community brought it upon itself (Obviously this is medically unethical and wrong on so many levels, but because there are limited visitors, there is really no way to ensure patient safety). Thus, any gathering has an inyan of rodef involved, as they may inadvertent c”v cause the death of another.

   • listen to the audio from r forscheimer posted on the scoop today and you’ll see “since when’ aiva is a consideration in not doing mitzvos.

   • It’s called a לא פלוג. You can’t start making exceptions because everyone will see himself as an exception. Imagine a Rebbe in school who tells class “no eating!” How can he make exceptions for this one or that one! When running a klal, it can’t be any other way…..

   • Ever since we started kicking kids out of Chadorim for not being fully vaccinated! Same “doctor’s orders” and Aiva – just now everyone got kicked out!

     • Observe how one anti-science, anti-seichel stance leads to another. Fool.

2. The level and duration of immunity that one gets toward this virus are still unclear. This was mentioned in the letter from the BMG poskim.

   As far as Aiva, I was wondering the same thing. Rav Shlomo Miller stated in his letter that it is a matter of pikuach nefesh because some hospitals might not give proper care if they believe we are not properly keeping social distance. There have been cases of hospital staff indicating such sentiments.

3. To rabbi7: Please listen to the audio message of Rabbi Forschheimer’s (Posted on the TLS today) where he points out that Aiva is a very serious issue and shows it by saying that in certain instances, Poskim were Matir a D’Oriessa for Aiva.

4. in a robo call afternoon that we are mechallel shabbos because of aiva, that answers both questions

5. the issue is your Italian neighbors dont realize your all from one family

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