Just days after receiving the new $15,000 Automatic CPR device, Hatzolah unfortunately needed to use it, but were fortunate enough to have it. While several Hatzolah members responded to a call of a patient not breathing, another member went to the Garage to pick up the Thumper and brought it to the scene of the call, where it was immediately put to use.
Hatzolah managed to get the patient’s pulse back, and transported the patient to a local Hospital in serious but stable condition.
These guys are the best of the best. Statistically, a person in cardiac arrest has a minimal chance of survival when its outside of a hospital setting. This person was well over 80 years old, and with their great work, the person regained pulses and was breathing on his own. Their response time is second to none.
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“Their response time is second to none.”
– please post Hatzolah’s response times, and that of other first aid dept’s to corroborate your comment.
(Personally, keeping the thumper at a garage instead of in circulation with the day’s active/responding member’s diminishes your response times- dont you think?)
i mean think about it- you gotta get up & drive to the garage to get the unit, and then respond to the call. why not keep it in one of the POV’s?
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Any one that wants to donate one of these or some other life saving equipment like defibrilater ambulance or lifepack I’m sure hatzolah would take it
Aunt Jemima… There’s nothing to compare. There is no other squad in the state, aside for the area Hatzolah’s , that have response times of 1-3 minutes. They don’t exist!! You are more than welcome to post other first aid squads times….
As far as your comment as to where it should be placed, Hatzolah has over 30 active day members/ first responders.
How would one decide which member should have it. What if that member isn’t available at the time of the call. What if they live on the other side of town? Don’t you think its best to keep it in a central location, especially since they keep their paramedic ambulance there as well??
“There is no other squad in the state, aside for the area Hatzolah’s , that have response times of 1-3 minutes. They don’t exist!! You are more than welcome to post other first aid squads times….”
A. WHY SHOULD I POST MY TIMES, you still didnt post your accurate ‘ambulance on scene’ times?
B. There is no way your ambulance is on scene in 1 minute after the the dispatch. that’s not even realistic. that ambulance would have to be within walking distance for the first aid pager to beep with location/type of call & time- and 60seconds later the ambulance is there…. COMPLETELY FALSE!
C.there are plenty paid squads in nj with men/women who work and are stationed waiting at the fire/first aid-house with ALL the apparatuses and equipment stocked & ready on the ambulance, that i can prove can put a fully equipped rig on scene faster than you guys.
you guys dont have better times than the average volunteer first aid dept. boast all you want. people ARE NOT THAT STUPID & can read through your smoke-screen.
IF YOUR SITTING AT HOME READING A BOOK & YOU GET A CALL, YOU HAVE TO DRIVE TO THE FIRE HOUSE(depending on traffic), TAKE THE AMBULANCE AND RESPOND TO THE FIRST AID CALL(again, depending on traffic)….. HOW CAN THAT BE FASTER THEN SOMEONE PAID & ALREADY SITTING IN THE FIRE HOUSE GETTING UP, GETTING INTO THE AMBULANCE & RESPONDING or A PAID AMBULANCE SERVICE THATS ALREADY DRIVING IN THE LOCAL AREA AND GETTING A CALL TO RESPOND?
TO MS PANCAKE
THE THUMPER ONLY HELPS THE FIRST RESPONDER AND MIMICKS WHAT A HUMAN DOES … NOT SURE WHAT WAS LOST SOUNDS LIKE YOUR BEING CRITICAL FOR NO REASON
don’t get it? no one did cpr without the Thumper? it may be a convinience for the members and make it easier to work with a patient. did his pulse not come back until the thumper was used??
you dont get it bro they use there own cars and respond right away no going to garages and there ar like 60 member’s around town working studying or home so just eat ure pancakes and chill
Just for your info: The way hatzolah works, is that the volunteers respond from their own homes- no need to waste time getting back to the garage, getting an ambulance and then waiting in traffic. Also, because there are so many members who live in all areas of this town, they can respond to emergencies in their immediate area within the 1-3 minute window.
You obviously have no idea how Hattzolah works. Please spend a few minutes on Google and you will see how they have such a quick response time.
In short – members respond directly to the scene in their fully equiped private vehicles. The closest members to the call volunteer to respond via two way radio – no pagers for these guys -and are then dispached and are on scene within 2 minutes. By the time the “fully equiped ambulance” pulls up to the scene, the EMTs already on location have complted their assesment and begun the necesary interventions (Yes – EMTs do a lot more than just transport to the hospital). Many times the first responder IS within walking distance. The reason why this system works for Hatzolah is because their members are willing to be on call 24 hours/ 7 days a week and to drop whatever they’re doing if there’s a call close by. No duty crew – no waiting at the garage for a crew just willing to drop what you’re doing to help someone in need.
Glad for the oppertunity to educate you.
Aunt Jemima….First of all, I am not on Hatzolah, nor do I represent them… I was merely responding to your stupidity rant.
One thing is quite clear, though. You must have suffered from a lack of oxygen as a child if you believe that Hatzolah’s response time is a ‘smoke screen’. Ask the 5000 people they help a year how long it took them to get there and start treating their family members. It has been proven time and again that their ‘model’works!
I never said that the ambulance is there in a minute, although the 3 minute time is not unrealistic and probably very accurate. Invest a few bucks in a scanner and you will hear their rigs sign on location. Or better yet, ask your friends at ‘the firehouse’ , I’m sure they keep track.
The most important part is getting the lifesaving equipment there and they do that by equipping their first responders with Trauma equipment, oxygen and defibrilators. By the time the pt is being treated, the ambulance is always there. They don’t call for mutual aid or ‘the vollies’ to cover their calls.
So, while its very nice to have a PAID, fully staffed crew at the ‘fire house’, that only works when there is no other call. Once they go on ONE call, they are not available!!!
I understand that it is a hard pill to swallow sometimes. It is well documented that Hatzolah response time is so much faster than other first aid squads, it’s not even worth discussing. Be it in NY, NJ or in Israel. Ask the thousands of people that have been saved by Hatzolah. Whether you want to believe it or not, it is the truth. Sorry to bust your bubble.
Thank you Hatzolah.
To aunt jemima. “Hatzolah’s model provides for speedy first responder response times. Hatzolah of Borough Park, Brooklyn [11] daytime response time averages under 2 minutes, with overall night-time averages of 7–8 minutes, regardless of the severity of the call. [12] Each Hatzolah neighborhood’s response time varies. For example, the Hatzolah organization in Los Angeles boasts a sixty to ninety second average response time. [13] Overall, NYC branches claim 2-4 minute response.”wiki. its perfectly reasonable to request for someone to substantiate their claims to response times, especially when there are other organizations competing for the right to call themselves the quickest, best, better, just understand nobody is insulting what you do or the organization that you may work for. I’m sure they are highly capable and are really good at what they do .each department , organization has their structure that works best for them .the current structure of hatzalah is what works best for hatzalah and produces what would otherwise be unheard of response times . I don’t see any purpose in insulting any community organizations especially of the life saving variety instead of competing you should all work together.for more info on how hazalah works and why its so effective check out wiki. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatzalah?wasRedirected=true
Hey! Aunt Jemima says;
It is so clear that you are commenting out of anger and ignorance!
you say
“””A. WHY SHOULD I POST MY TIMES, you still didnt post your accurate ‘ambulance on scene’ times?”””
Well, you would be correct if the ambulance was everything, but since it is a tool to transport a patient, there are many things that occur before transport. Assessment, vital signs, and any of these; O2, splinting, wound care, immobilization, stabilization, CPR, administration of mediciines that BLS is allowed to assist with etc…. If paramedics are on scene, it is acceptable by the standards set forth by the NJ Dept of Health and other National organziations to be on scene for 10-15 minutes for a “medical” call. You have to remember, they are bringing the ED to the patient.
So in reality, ambulance on scene times may be a good argument in your eyes, but in reality, it’s not. I would have rather have and EMT or paramedic with equipment in 2 minutes rather than a vehicle in 8 or 10 or 15 or whatever.
and here is a quote from Wikipedia;
“”Response times
Hatzolah’s model provides for speedy first responder response times. Hatzolah of Borough Park, Brooklyn[11] daytime response time averages under 2 minutes, with overall night-time averages of 7–8 minutes, regardless of the severity of the call.[12] Each Hatzolah neighborhood’s response time varies. For example, the Hatzolah organization in Los Angeles boasts a sixty to ninety second average response time.[13] Overall, NYC branches claim 2-4 minute response.[9]””
And since you don’t seem like the trusting type, here is the URL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatzalah
and here, Gloucester County New Jersey brags this;
” Review of the first year of performance found that calls for service are answered with an average response time under 6 minutes””
brain death starts in 4, alot of good that does!!
and here is an excerpt about another GREAT ambulance time;
“”The Avenel-Colonia First Aid Squad was notified at 6:01. Police showed up within five minutes, but it wasn’t until 6:10 that the rescue company picked up the call; it took an additional six minutes for a rig to arrive. A patrolman later wrote that police asked several times where the ambulance was.”””
and here..
“DeKalb County officials are investigating why it took an ambulance 22 minutes — more than four times the county’s average response time for a trauma call — to get to a soccer player with a severe head injury.”
here is from Unity service volunteer ambulance
“Our average response time, from when we are toned out to having our rig on the road, is about 8 minutes .
and what about this;
”
Wingrove said some ambulance companies use eight minutes and fifty-nine seconds as a benchmark. This is the response time recommended by the National Fire Protection Association. It is also based on the American Heart Association’s conclusion that survival rates of cardiac patients improve if advanced life support reaches a patient within nine minutes, Wingrove said.
Their chances improve!! But if you look ath the AHA’s website, it clearly says “Brain death and permanent death start to occur in just four to six minutes after someone experiences cardiac arrest.”
I am not responding to your comments for your sake, for I feel that this is probably at a level of understanding that is leaps and bounds beyond ytour capability. I am writing it for the benefit of those out there that did not, until now, know the truth!
Have a nice day.
Auntie is right for the most part.
The sources quoted are all regarding NY. The dynamics of first responders in NY are very different then the in the suburbs.
The only thing she missed out on is the fact that Hatzolah has many more members per square mile, and saturation of garages is higher then the paid for services.
I was standing on the street this morning when I saw a black suburban rushing down the street. It stopped in front of my eyes. As he pulled up, literally, the door to the house was opened. He ran to his trunk, pulled out a oxygen bag, and a defib. Seconds later 2 more guys showed up. Then the rig and medics (all within 4-5 minutes). I know the guy that first responded. He works around the corner. It could not of taken more then 1 minute. It is no wonder that they got this person back and gave him a second life. With quick response, state of the art equipment, and almost 30 defibs (in their private cars), they will continue to save lives.
Aunt Jemima!!,
I as a member of a EMS squad that routinely works together with Hatzolah of Lakewood can confirm that these guys are the best of the best. It is not for nothing that a paramedic instructor ans supervisor once joked at a class we had at our headquarters, that if he ever would to have a heart attack, he hopes it is in lakewood so that hatzolah will respond. and I quote him “it would probably be my best chance of survival as these guys respond quick and have all the essential equipment needed in their private vehicles”.
I would”ve loved to be one of them but for reasons that are probably self explanatory, I know it is not possible ( exept maybe on Sabbath).
Guys keep it up.
I wonder what else Aunt Jemima has to say. It seems that her posts were “moderated” and we are only reading part of her comment. She seems to be a seriously disturbed phsyco.
Question? What are the advantage of this tool compared to having one or two members perform the task of CPR? I’m not criticizing but curious as to its advantage over the proven method of a responder/s doing the task. I think this tool was purchased from grant funding? Was the grant specific just for this tool or was it to purchase any type medical equipment? Just wondering about advantage of this device over the human method of giving CPR.
And for the record, A tip of the cap to all those folks that reach out to help their fellow man in their time of need. Don’t get too caught up in who does what in the least amount of time. Nobody remembers after its all said and done anyhow.
Just be safe at how and what you do, when you do it.
Old goyim billy
Good question I will try to explain it
Cpr performed correctly according to the new AHA guidelines is very hard to perform well for longer than 2 minutes so what was done till now was to change members performing the cpr but this as well is not as good
Enter the lucas cpr devise it performs exceptional cpr for up to 45 minutes on each battery freeing up members to do other things and does cpr second to none
I hope this explains it
To Old Goyim Hillbilly:
Studies now show that the most important factor in saving someones heart from death, and the biggest chance of it restarting is by doing non-stop chest compressions. Reason being that there is something called heart pressure that builds the more you do CPR. When rescuers stop even momentarily to give breaths or to switch CPR givers, the heart pressure drops dramatically and has to start growing again when compressions are restarted. Further more I’m sure you know how difficult it is to really do 100% proper compressions with correct depth and speed. Even if you do it properly, 2-3 minutes is the maximum time you can keep it up.
In addition, when you attempt to transport a pt in cardiac arrest, the compressions are started and stopped a dozen times as you go down steps, in and out of ambulance etc. The thumper on the other hand, after 30 seconds to attach it, it does continuous 100% perfect chest compressions. Hope that explained it in a nutshell.
thank you hatzalah!!!! they are the best of the best
Aunt Jemima is obviously not intimately familiar with the workings of the Orthodox Jewish community and Hatzola, but that does not excuse the tone of many of the responses to her comment/questions (even though she was very negative and cynical). All that was needed was educated explanation, which thankfully some thoughtful people provided. Acheinu, please live up to our high standards of Kavod Habrios and Derech Eretz. Please understand that much of the negativity out there is nothing more than ignorance about our insular community.