1. why release them? i dont know details but i know these guys need to locked up for a very long time!

   • Because stealing a car does not get you 20 years in jail, especially if you are a minor. They received a summons, they didn’t get off scot free.
     How many decades in jail would you give a 13 year old?

     • I agree. But thats only for stealing a car once. when it becomes a habit you then have to see what other behaviors are present, are they a threat? Are they violent?
       The answers to these questions will be the answer to yours.

     • Agreed they need more help than these (ugly comments from this post and the last) can get them! It’s kids in pain 🙁

       • Im in pain! they distroyed my neighborhood

     • and when they stab?
       Kids in pain need consequences. i don’t care how much pain they carry. Most inmates carry a lot of pain. So they shouldn’t be in jail?

2. Where are our Rabbanim? Where are our Askonim? Something has to be done about these children we have to take care of them and set them on the right path. If it’s too late then send them out of Lakewood.

   • Lol, what makes you think they arent involved?
     Are you naïve enough to believe that there is a solution to every problem? Yes, apparently.

     You think “well no one is ‘taking care’ of this” must be no one is trying. Thats just plain foolish.
     So please, stop blaming others for things that arent in their control.

     • Again, I will reiterate my point, that schnitzel sandwiches can and will solve all our problems with at risk teens.

       • Yes, and because the rabbanim and askanim are so involved, that’s why there aren’t a mountain more such problems! But let us al get involved little bit more! (Maybe shnitzel sandwiches – and a good conversation and friendliness!:)

   • I actually spoke with the leader of their parish.

     I am hopeful their confession will set things rights.

     Kids these days…

3. They are not in custody…they were already released with a simple summons! Obviously the police presence talked about yesterday did not stop this gang. Who is taking responsibility for the release when an innocent person is held up or stabbed or worse CV
   By these disturbed boys??
   Please get them off the street!!

4. It’s crazy these kids No nothing is being done that’s why they do what they want if you’re a criminal, they should treat them like one they just keep letting them go again and again.

5. We’ve had 20 years of education with compassion empathy validation also very sophisticated, the modern Way. These are the results. Maybe a change of tact and direction is called for.

6. בקשר לדרשה כי לא אמר דוד “הללויה” עד שראה במפלתם של רשעים, מסופר: הנהו בריוני דהוו בשבבותיה [אותם בריונים שהיו בשכנותו] של ר’ מאיר והוו קא מצערו ליה טובא [והיו מצערים אותו הרבה]. הוה קא בעי [היה מבקש] ר’ מאיר רחמי עלויהו [רחמים עליהם] כי היכי דלימותו [שימותו]. אמרה ליה [לו] לר’ מאיר ברוריא דביתהו [אשתו]: מאי [מה] דעתך, על מה סומך אתה בתפילה זו שימותו הבריונים משום דכתיב [שנאמר]: “יתמו חטאים מן הארץ” (תהלים קד, לה), וסבור אתה כי טוב לעולם בכליון הרשעים, ואולם מי כתיב [האם נאמר] “יתמו חוטאים”? והלא “יתמו חטאים” כתיב [נאמר], ויש להתפלל לכליונה של הרישעות ולא של הרשע. ועוד, שפיל לסיפיה דקרא [רד, המשך לסופו של הפסוק] שנאמר שם “ורשעים עוד אינם”, כיון ש”יתמו חטאים” מכאן והלאה כיצד אפשר יהא ש”רשעים עוד אינם”, כלומר, שאינם עוד רשעים? אלא בעי רחמי עלויהו דלהדרו [בקש רחמים עליהם שיחזרו] בתשובה, וממילא יתקיים “ורשעים עוד אינם”. ראה ר’ מאיר צדקת דברי ברוריה ובעא רחמי עלויהו, והדרו [ביקש רחמים עליהם, וחזרו] בתשובה” (ברכות י,א).

7. Why no emergency meeting with the roshei yeshivos and rabanim shlit”a. This is out of hand!!!!

   • There actually was a meeting, I don’t think every random commentator on TLS was invited though.

   • Now is not the time for meetings, obviously there was a need for a meeting 20 years ago….. Which didn’t happen. Sadly now it’s the sheriff which needs to take charge… The rabbis mechanchim etc Had their chance and failed…..

     • Why do you say so? They were successful 99.999%, and the .001% is getting the tumult!
       Also note, if everyone ate healthfully etc, 99.999% of health issues wouldn’t exist but this was not known years ago, mostly thanks to Big Pharma which is the biggest business in the US.

   • What should/do you want the roshi yeshiva to do about this?

8. oh no. you’re all wrong! cant we admit how much better public school education is than ours? ask the NY board of education; they have all the answers

   • And they don’t have any crime?!?! You must have meant this tongue-in-cheek.

     Also, they’re not teaching Torah and Mitzvos; they teach hefkeirus, tumah, and who knows what else. They may have a fairly well-ironed system that scares people out of doing crime, but what type of life are they being taught? We teach Torah and mitzvos and chessed, and such problems are virtually unheard of – that’s why they’re making headlines here!
     (We respect all human beings, but why add pressure. Also, your comments on the first story seemed to imply that you couldn’t fathom Yidden being involved in any crime?!)

9. It’s only a matter of time before these degenerates rape a girl. I no longer allow my girls out after dark in Westgate. It’s a disaster waiting to happen.

   • Did you just assume the gender of these car thiefs? The story doesn’t tell us if they are male or female or one of each or neither.

     • I know their names. And they are teen boys.

   • Whoa…

   • Relax buddy.

10. I guess the free cholent didn’t work.

11. Police, please put ankle tracking devices on these youth, and put them under house arrest each evening if the curfew doesn’t keep them home.

12. It’s so nice that these fine bochurim wanted to dunk someone’s car in the mikvah before Rosh Hashanah but can someone please tell them that today’s modern vehicles don’t require to be toivled

    • Teslas do, they’re trying to come up with a filter for their built-in internet!:)
      Also see the video ‘the shvitzer’ by Project Inspire for more about things that do or do not need toiveling! (about kiruv – good humor!)

13. OVI charges require all of the prodessional tricks used in criminal defense court rooms. protecting a OVI is initiated with determining not any of your rights on the constitution are abused. When a police officer is in direct contact with you, while they are basically the only witnesses most of the time, the expert communication and procedural conduct is of the substance. some of us all create mis haps, and the law are no exception. The event begins when reasonable suspicion which will lead to obvious cause. An example, someone gets flashed over for driving too slow at 3 a.m.. The police officer takes reasonable suspicion that someone has created a traffic offense, racing. then, as the police tries to start eye connection or steps in towards your vehicle, the officer will utter you exhibit red eyes, or there is an odor of beer. This raises the acceptabel intuition of recklessness to providing the officer a fact that you is crusing around while intoxicated. eighty% of cops will say odor of alcohol, watery eyes, or sloppy talk. The police may also say you are fumbling around getting your drivers license and registration in your hand. Now someone is likely commanded to step out of a automobile and do standardized physical sobriety tests. These are SFST’s are taught under NHTSA (National road Traffic Safety Administration) regulations and need to be followed per instance. If you do perform the tests, the police officer can make mistakes which will make the test, or tests disregarded from evidence. Factors such as physical impairments and the best situational conditions can be factored into results of your test. (example: a person can’t perform a hop on one leg and pivot check on uneven sidwalk). A person will also take a breathalyzer test. There are mistakes in these machines also, and they are technolgo that need maintenance and specialized training on every day. The incarceration is captured at the instance the officer activates their lights. It is through this captured footage we are able to secure an experienced idea if the officer administration of the tests, to the clients performance taking the tests. If you give an OK to the tests or not, you usually will go to big house. If you have been arrested for Driving under the inflence or any criminal charges or know some one who needs a criminal defense Lawyer check out my info rgiht here

14. An Adam gadol once said, the best thing to do for these kids is to have them in mind when we daven the bracha of Hashiveinu

15. maybe someone had a school for them? a job for them? a therapist? an idea how to make them feel good, interested, motivated, and accomplished?
    self worth?
    where is the Board of ED? the State? the Fed? where are the programs to help when and where help is needed?

    • A probation office may work better than a therapist for these kids

16. Emes! but that doesnt mean you dont impose regular justice and safety measures to stop criminal activity.
    This halacha is telling us the approach we must have to the tragedy of what is occurring. Not saying we should allow for it to continue. See DE”R perek 5, the story with Rabbi Yehoshua and the ganav

17. Many of these comments are very spiteful. Clearly something needs to be done. However, as you post please remember there’s a yiddishe mama somewhere in absolute agony over her child. And if he’s 13!!! Clearly help is needed and we need to Daven that the right people get involved and can reach these kids. No. A 13 yr old needs intervention and rehab of sorts, not jail.
    My heart breaks for the families of these kids.

    • 1000% Thank you for saying this.

18. Maybe it was in self-defense

    • The kids who are KNOWN to have vandalized homes, stolen cars and openly committed armed robbery? You’ll give those kids the assumption of innocence? Do you realize that we know who they are and the crimes they constantly have been committing?
      I dare you to park your car or walk your family anywhere near their homes. And I have their addresses, if you need more details.
      I know that if I need to walk those streets, I must bring a weapon. And I know many neighbors who feel the same.
      Stop deluding your community into an oblivious sense of safety.

19. I know from experience parents can’t make them get help unless they want it must be court mandated the court system is not doing enough. These kids are getting away with everything no one says jail, but they need to get scared straight they can’t get let off that doesn’t help them

20. The Torah says A BEN SORER UMORAH GETS KILLED

    • Yes, there are lesson to learn from Ben Sorer Umoreh. it is interesting that Chaza”l say that there never was nor will ever be one. But I heard a great vort in a shiur from the Chof-K here in Lakewood, years ago (he was mentioning about how treif foods are metamtem halev). Chaza”l say ‘why was the parsha of ben sorer umoreh written if it will never happpen? They answer: Learn it and get sechar’. The Marsh”a asks, is it simply a mitzvah to learn something that has no halacha lemaaseh?! He answers that while the actual Ben Sorer Umoreh will never happen, however, by studying the matter, one will learn many points in chinuch.

      • If everyone can just think for one moment, if this was my child, my relative would i say the same comments.
        Probably not! You would probably be in tears reading all these comments. Noone can judge or point fingers at anyone for you boruch hashem are not going through the pain, the hurt, the pointing of fingers, and especially the remarks that people give these parents.
        The parents are in terrible pain. They are suffering . They don’t sleep at night. Everytime the phone rings their heart jumps a beat. Is this the phone call that I and my children will have to sit Shiva for?
        So until you are Chas vshalom in the parent shoes. Do Not judge.
        You may say oh my child is the best. I brought up my children like tzadikim I’m from a family of rosh yeshivas this would never happen to me. These children were brought up like tzadikim.
        We need to give tremendous LOVE to our children and hope and daven that they remain close to Hashem and that they keep shabbos. While your davening to Hashem For your children Daven For these Lost Children. Daven for their Parents to have strength and never give up.
        May Hashem listen and answer ALL YOUR TEFILLOS LTOVA! KESEVA VCHASEEMA TOVA!

        • I daven for those parents. But I also fear for my family’s life! The trauma my kids experience, living with bullies, burglars, bike thieves, car thieves, vandals, etc right down the block!!! Have rachmonus on us!

      • p.s. I don’t mean anything on anyone, I’m just saying over this vort in response to the above commentator, and if it helps in any way, a zechus

21. Let us just remember that these things are extremely uncommon by us, and that’s why it’s making waves. In other places, there can be a large slew of terrible crimes in a short span, and they’re hardly even reported. Mi Ke’amcha Yisroel!

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