New Letter from Lakewood Doctors

See the letter released to TLS this evening. 
CHOL HAMOED COMMUNICATION FROM LAKEWOOD DOCTORS w

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39 COMMENTS

  1. Lots of valid points. HOWEVER, let’s not spread panic about people with antibodies. The best vaccine will not come close to the immunity conferred by actually having the virus. Any attempt to minimise that fact is simply fearmongering and עתידים ליתן את הדין. Yes, all people should be careful. But people with antibodies are at a MUCH lower risk. Firstly many people may be within the margin of error of the tests. And even without that, we are talking about single digit percentages. Well below the threshold we are worried about.

  2. Many won’t listen to doctors, but for all of us who care about what’s right and don’t go for all the “hock” and noise, it’s wonderful to get this direction.

  3. MASKS MASKS MASKS

    Lockdowns Lockdowns Lockdowns

    That’s all we hear from the “LAKEWOOD DOCTORS”

    The 2 things that help the LEAST!!

    Israel tried that the first time, and as nature has it you cannot lock up a nation forever, so the VIRUS “came back” (It never left!)

    Did you hear the Doctors say, Take Vitamin D, Zinc, Vitamin C, Quercetin, (things that can actually protect you from the virus)? NO!!!

    When one does get the virus, do the doctors prescribe Hydroxychloroquine +Zinc + Azithromycin +Vitamin D? NO!!!!

    BTW: More studies are needed on the efficacy of masks

    • @Here WE GO AGAIN: more studies are actually needed on the efficacy of Hydroxy and all the other garbage you list. If it was so effective, Drs would recommend it. Stop with the heeby-geeby and listen to the ones that spent 10+ years in medical school studying the human body from the bottom up and then back down again.
      LISTEN TO THE DOCTORS! they are the ones who want to HELP us

      • Dr. Zelenko is more than enough proof about hdroxy. (with Zinc), and many who agree with him. doctors learn in medical school exactly what the INDUSTRY wants them to know — nothing more and nothing less. One good rason it can be ta they are blacklisting hydroxy, is because it may have worked TOO WELL, and was too cheap!!! There is a lot more to the story going on here.
        Dr. Zelenko said in an interview (with Del Bigtree) that he was very successful with Hydroxy. — in treating high-risk patients, and all were successful (maybe except for one — out of about 800). His success rate at saving lives was far greater than those who did not use it. Doctors called him from around the US and even from other countries. Countries’ health departments called him — like Brazil, and their death rate declined immediately!! Even Iran called him!! And he gave the info to anyone who called for FREE!!
        He says that anyone who speaks against hydroxy — whether for monetary or political (anti Trump) reasons should be guilty of mass murder.
        So it’s important to know that it had very good signs of success.
        Regarding scientific proof, he said in the interview that if a boat had capsized, and all you have was a piece of wood to hold onto, would you wait for a scientific study to prove that it floats and that it is big enough to save you etc, or would you hold onto it for dear life?! If it’s the only thing you have, of course you would hold onto it; you see it helps!
        So with Hydroxy, there were no significant adverse reactions; it is a medication that has been used with success for 60 years (to treat malaria etc,), so why not use it to save lives with Covid? This is the gist of the “Zelenko Protocol”.

        • Why am I not surprised to see the name ‘Del Bigtree’ in connection with HCG? The same hoaxsters who are trying to convince us that vaccination is mass murder, are trying to sell HCG. I wonder what the connection is?

          Actually, I don’t wonder. These people’s opinions are not worth a tuppenc ha’penny, they have no clue what they are talking about, but insist on having big opinions.

  4. I doubt anyone will follow these recommendations, unfortunately we will only learn once thye shut down lakewood and we will all scream anti semitism.

  5. In the letter it says that people with antibodies can be reinfected (and that therefore they’re recommending for everyone to wear masks). If so, what is the point of the antibodies testing, and who’s to say that any vaccine which confers antibodies will help at all?! (Without even discussing the fact that 100% of volunteers who have tested a Covid vaccines have had adverse reactions, and not to mention that it is proven that masks reduce oxygen levels to below OSHA standards, and that studies show that the virus can get straight through the mask, not to mention around the sides, and that surgeons only wear them to prevent saliva from getting into open wound)?!?!? What about the fact that doctors do not learn anything about the Vaccine Risk Awareness, nor do they learn about nutrition (–from a published study of a survey of all medical schools in the US with a four-year curriculum). This means that doctors don’t know anything more about these very serious matters than the average Joe in the street.
    Moreover, in another post here is says that Aguda blasted [Nazi Mass murderer] Como for ordering shuls to reduce to just ten people. He killed 10k people in NY, apparently just because he didn’t want to use Trump’s hospital ship, in order to not give him any credit, and HE”S talking about health?!?!
    TY
    Any disproofs or suggestions are welcome.

    • Cuomo claims that the Navy did not want the ship used for Covid positive patients, as they would have a hard time disinfection the ship afterwards.
      If so, what was it sent for? In any case, he could have cleared an entire nursing home for just covid positive patients! As it was, they sent several positive patients to each nursing home – a law was made that nursing homes must take them in, (patients that the hospitals didn’t want anymore). There were so many dead patients, that nursing homes had sheds full of bodies, as they don’t have morgues!!

    • “…it is proven that masks reduce oxygen levels to below OSHA standards.” SHEKER, SHEKER, SHEKER. Lie just one time and your entire comment is suspect as SHEKER.

      This is from OSHA’s website: “Q: Does wearing a mask or cloth face covering cause unsafe oxygen levels or harmful carbon dioxide levels to the wearer? A: NO…they DO NOT compromise oxygen levels or cause carbon dioxide build up…Some people have MISTAKENLY CLAIMED that OSHA standards apply to the issue of oxygen and carbon dioxide levels resulting from the use of medical masks or cloth face coverings…These standards DO NOT APPLY…in settings with normal ambient air, [but] ONLY to work settings where there are known or suspected sources of chemicals…or to a potentially dangerous location.” [emphasis my own].

      So, you are either woefully ignorant or a deliberate liar. To people reading this thread, please do not give ANY credence to the commenter above. It is, mamash, dangerous for you to heed his words, R”L.

      • First of all, numerous people demonstrated this with professional sensors, including Del Bigtree. They inserted the sensors under the mask, and the alarm went off after ten seconds. Even the face-shields caused the alarm to go off quite soon.
        Regarding what OSHA says, I don’t know, I haven’t looked into it, but the alarm is going off! I would suspect that OSHA, being a government branch, is in cahoots (“partnership”) with the CDC, which others call the Center for Deception and Corruption. (I respect government, but not outright fraud.)
        Regardless, even if you’ll say the oxygen level is not an issue, the WHO admitted openly that masks do not help at all, but said that maybe it can help remind people not to ouch their faces, and — I’m not making this up — it can help stimulate the economy, as they can be produced locally, so they can help local tailors, and in general, sellers.
        Heh, heh, who told them to shut down the economy and ruin people’s businesses to begin with. And why was Walmart never shut down, could it be because Bill Gates, who has $100B, has investments in it, and it’s a more powerful corporation than the local stores? Why was it OK for hundreds of people to be under the roof at one time in all the large stores throughout the so-called shutdown?!?!?!
        And the virus is man made, and has [illegal] patents in the US patent office!!
        Have success!

    • In fact, there is very little use for antibody testing. People have been rushing to get it done, but doctors have told me that it really does not give a person much actionable information.

      Antibodies are the basis for the body’s immune response, but not all antibodies are effective.

      It’s not that antibodies are worthless. If you did have the virus and you had antibodies that you might be safe but the problem is that antibodies to coronaviruses do not last forever. That is why we are seeing reinfections because people’s immunity is wearing off.

      The idea that masks reduce your oxygen levels to unsafe levels is just a bunch of baloney.

      The risks of vaccines are minimal.

      • The risk of vaccines are at least as bad as any possible risk from the natural/wild-type virus, If so, what’s the point?! They’re definitely not safer than the natural virus!!
        Moreover, it is proven greatly ta the risk of vaccines are much greater. Do you member autism 30 years ago? II’s a mostly new thing, R”L. You must read JB Handley’s How to End the Autism Epidemic, and [specialist] Dr. Susan Humphries’ Dissolving Illusions.
        Drs. will tell you (based on what they are taught to say in medical school which is based on CDC etc.) that the risk of an adverse reaction to vaccines is one in a million, when it is really 1 in 40, R”L.

    • Virtually every word of yours is nonsense. Absolute piffle.

      One person had an adverse reaction to one experimental vaccine, not even 1% of people tested. And there are about 16 vaccines being tested.

      Masks do not lower oxygen levels, as proven by multiple studies.

      The virus CAN go through the mask, but it considerably lowers the chances of it happening, meaning the mass infection will not happen when everyone wears masks.

      Researchers learn plenty from the vaccine risk awareness, and they adjust accordingly. When a credible problem is identified, they work to fix it. But the anti-vaxxers continue to peddle old discredited foolishness (btw, did you know that the Amish, who don’t vaccinate, also have autism and plenty of it. Bet you thought the anti-vaxxers were onto something there, but as usual they are onto nothing).

      • About the Amish, I don’t know; you have to know for sure if they don’t vaccinate. Also, vinyl flooring can also cause it – it has very unhealthy chemicals which get into the air (linoleum is much healthier). Also, most carpets since around the ’90’s, have several unhealthy chemicals. Also junk food has a very negative affect on the person (mother and developing child), but vaccines are much worse, as are injected directly into the bloodstream.

        About masks, why did the CDC never before recommend wearing one?

        If they are admitting that masks don’t really block it, so why push people to wear it?! (If the purpose is just to “help out”, why do they not breath a word about healthy eating etc, which is the main thing to help the immune system?!
        I mentioned in another response above, which hasn’t been posted as of this writing) that the WHO admitted openly that the masks don’t block the virus.
        So why are they recommended, and why all the tumult? The idea is that they are trying to create the illusion of a pandemic, because people are getting healthier over the years, and the epidemics of the 1800s were mainly due to very poor nutrition and sanitation.
        Today there is much junk-food etc, which is a problem in itself, but this is the general idea. People had stopped dying from measles, for
        example, by 1950l; the vaccine did not come out until 1963!

        I saw from numerous experts that 100% of testers for the Covid vaccine had adverse reactions. A reporter asked this straight to Bill Gates’ face (he funds studies, and will then make money off them) what he says about this. He answered — with the drawl of a person whose head is drowning in money ‘oh the FDA is very professional with these things, and they will certainly look into the matter. He did not deny the question.

        There is a lot more to the story. People have to educate themselves, to realize there is a lot more on the agenda here, it’s called money — a one-hundred-billionaire is trying to make more money — and is trying to control the world in numerous ways, including making a vaccine tattoo – scanable with a special infra-red camera. And Gates also has a plan to depopulate the world. He has stated this openly, and has stated that ‘right now there are 10,000 excess people in the world.
        Rav Amnon Yitzchak SHLIT”A says on him and similar “people” ‘yemach shemam’.

  6. Great letter.
    My shul, although it wasn’t planned, davened all the tefilos outdoors, 1st days.
    The weather was perfect, so, y’know – why not ?
    Problem is 2nd days, as of now, looks like it might rain Shemini Atzeres and Simchas Torah. Thats gonna be a challenge.
    But, to me, frankly, once Dr. Tarlow signs the letter, to me thats mamesh like Torah MiSinai.

  7. for those of you questioning the doctors’ prerogative to advise masks, social distancing and outdoor services, 1. remember the biblical injunction of Verapo Yerape. It’s both the responsibility and the privelege conferred on medical personnel. 2. And all the anti maskers and those who see anti semitism in state health recommendations, remember the mandate of Venishmartem meod lenafshoseichem. And for all those to whom points 1 and 2 are not applicable or they cannot be mekabel, then for you Syag lachochma shetika will be a helpful suggestion.

    • You must bear in mind that Verapo yerapei, and venishmarten meod etc,. are all true, but that does not prove anything about doctors and protocols; anything the say must be proven, and it must be proven that they’re not just parroting the $3.3 trillion medial industry per year in US alone. TY

    • Verapo Yerape means exactly that. Doctors are allowed to treat and heal, it does NOT mean that Doctors are poskim to decide on Halacha and minhagei Yisroel

  8. Let’s see how many of the signed doctors actually stick to these guidelines in their own homes and shuls. Remember pesach when they said not to have any guests or family over? Did they have their family over? We all know lots of them did. Doctors and government are welcome to share ACCURATE info and make recommendations. Adults are also capable of making decisions how to live their lives.

  9. They recommend washing hands so obviously they believe that surfaces can infect if that’s the case then masks are practically useless in the public space since none of the surfaces are disinfected. A simple waste of time.

  10. You must bear in mind that Verapo yerapei, and venishmarten meod etc,. are all true, but that does not prove anything about doctors and protocols; anything the say must be proven, and it must be proven that they’re not just parroting the $3.3 trillion medial industry per year in US alone. TY

  11. Very happy to see this letter. It hits all the major points that the CDC has been warning about. It even points out that indoor gatherings without masks are illegal.

    My only question that I would address to these well-meaning doctors is where have you been for the past 4 or 5 months when Lakewood let its guard down????

    Your silence was very noticeable.

    Your words here are too little and too late.

  12. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!! Everyday doctors claiming world is coming to an end. It’s been 3 weeks since the “mass outbreak” and Bh there’s been almost no problems!! We have to just move on stop the testing so Murphy doesn’t have an excuse to follow cuomo!!!

    • Almost no problems.

      If we forget about the dozens of people in the hospital, the few who died, it is almost no problem. But who cares? That happened to ‘someone else’, not to me, so why should I care?

      The virus is running rampant through this town, thousands of people are sick and have been seriously ill. Look around. That person who wasn’t in Shul for a few weeks, he is suffering greatly at home. Even if he doesn’t die, how can you justify making a Yid suffer?

  13. hello..
    what Happening to does get TEST positi… ANY medication,any help for
    recovering,ANY ,ANY, ANY,???????
    Nothing………………
    so why TESTING????
    Only to put down YOUR EMOUNAH….
    And send the positive to end in hospital…….

    Remember the say Best of dct… yoresh gehinom…
    be Maamin and don’t fallow ignorant,or Poshim….

    Hag Sameah..
    see you in Yeroushalym Habeinuya…

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