Submitted: As someone who recently had the zechus of marrying off children, I had a conversation with a friend about whether this process could be done more affordably. It turns out, yes it can. Here are some ideas we came up with of where we can cut- some may sound a bit outlandish at first, but please reflect on them and see if they are really necessary.
Drop the Lechaim and the Vort
We don’t need both. Allow me to be honest—I loathe going to vorts. It’s a huge schlep, night seder gets compromised, I get stuck in traffic, have to navigate undersized parking lots and end up going to sleep later than I’d like. I also have to change out of my weekday clothes (which, by the way, I recently stopped doing—because really, does it make a difference anymore?) just to say “Mazel Tov” and hang around for a few minutes.
As someone who made a vort, let me tell you: I found it rather boring. I wanted my friends to come so my mechutan wouldn’t think I had no friends, and I was also happy to see them—but I felt bad for what they had to endure. And I felt bad for myself, too: standing on my feet all night, smiling at people, trying to look busy when no one was coming over to me. I, for one, certainly don’t need it. A nice, lavish Lechaim in the house is plenty.
Savings: $4,000–$8,000
Drop the Aufruf Shabbos
Look—I love you (uncle, sibling, cousin, etc.), I really do. But after a long week, I want to be in my own home, sleep in my own bed, and eat my wife’s cooking (which, frankly, I prefer over catered food). Please don’t be insulted.
Invite me to a nice kiddush after davening, and I’ll do my best to come (even if it means walking across town). I’ll eat a bit of kugel, have a l’chaim and wish you Mazel Tov. But schlepping out for a whole Shabbos? Really not necessary, and if you don’t invite us, you’ll get to also save yourselves a lot of money.
Savings: $6,000–$11,000
3. Get Your Kid a Cheaper Car
In my day, a car wasn’t a given. Today, it is—and I get it. But why does it need to be a late-model Camry or even better, at a cost of between $21k–$28k?
Let’s agree that a Camry is probably the best car for your money. They are workhorses. But you can also get a 10-year-old Camry with 100k miles for around $12k–$16k all in. If it wasn’t in an accident and was mostly dealer-serviced, it’ll easily last another 100k+ miles with minimal maintenance. Use Carfax—it will give you that info. And while most dealers in Lakewood only sell newer models, go online, read dealer reviews, and you’ll find trustworthy sellers of older, well-maintained vehicles.
Savings: $6,000–$17,000
4. Cheaper Shaitlach
Why are kallah’s getting wigs at prices their mothers would never dream of spending for themselves? I know—I’m a man and have no business talking about this. But I’m going to anyway.
In my humble (and entirely unqualified) opinion, expensive shaitels don’t offer a return on investment to justify the cost. I think the absolute max that should be spent on a shaitel is $2,500. And this is really none of my business but I don’t see the need for a fall either. Be honest: does your wife have a fall and two sheitels? My guess is that 90% of young women stop wearing their fall after Shana Rishona.
Savings: I’m a man—ask your wife.
5. Stop the Expensive Dates
This needs to be said: why in the world do dates (both pre and post engagement) have to cost a few hundred dollars a piece?
Young man, your Kallah will not break up with you if you don’t take her out to an expensive restaurant every other week. And if she would—well, that’s a whole other conversation. Also, I don’t think girls are impressed when they see you treat your father’s money like water. They don’t either care if you stay local, you don’t need to go to Deal or Manhattan. They’re not rating your menu selections either. Why order filet mignon when they are ok with a salad and some appetizers? And can we talk about the two to three-part date thing? Topgolf, dinner, then the Escape Room or something similar, because apparently the date would be “boring” otherwise. Let’s learn how to have real conversations and keep the dates to reasonable lengths of time.
Parents, give your kids $200 max per date. If they want more, let them dip into their own wallets.
Savings: Easily thousands
6. Reduce the Gifts
Reduce, not eliminate. Gifts have a role—but unfortunately, it seems to have taken a turn for the ridiculous. We’ve run out of thoughtful ideas, so now it’s getting silly.
Where there once were a few meaningful exchanges during the engagement period, now we have all kinds of “merch” with the couple’s lovely picture on them. Then there are the countdown clocks, holograms, and “Mr. & Mrs.” chotchkes of all kinds. (Side note: I thought you wanted a learning boy, so why all the “Mr.” branding?). Then there are the monogram gifts of all sorts. Kallah, does your Chosson miss you so much that he needs another gift for every day you don’t see each other? Believe me, he can handle it. With all the gift giving going on, it simply has become a competition of who can give more and who is more creative.
And future shver, please don’t feel pressured into buying your new eidim a $5,000 watch. The only real difference between that and the $2,500 one is the label. Trust me—they both tell time equally well, and the leather or stainless steel is the same quality. With a more expensive watch, you’re buying a name, not a better product.
Parents, set reasonable budgets and limits for the gifts your children buy each other.
Savings: Several hundred to several thousand dollars—and some dignity.
7. Wedding Day Patchkerei
I didn’t even touch on the wedding day itself yet, and we’ve already saved you thousands. But let’s talk about it for a moment.
In my opinion, weddings in Lakewood are some of the best out there—and at very reasonable prices. The proof? Our halls are booked solid including numerous bookings, including many by out-of-towners, and we’re stuck waiting months for openings. So yes, maybe there’s still some room to trim—but we’re already doing a pretty solid job in that department.
However, all the patchkerei? That can be reduced significantly.
Let’s start with gowns. Why does it cost nearly as much to rent a gown from a “gemach” as it would to buy a new one? And why do alterations often run up to 50-100% of the rental cost? I’m not in this business so I don’t know for certain but to me it seems that the markups for rentals and alterations are way too high. In many cases, it may make more sense to just purchase a gown outright, especially if it can be worn to multiple weddings, (which can be done even by the same person (mother and sisters), if you purchase a simple, conservative gown). Do your research.
Now, makeup. I understand that the kallah and mothers (and perhaps a single sibling who is post high school) want professional makeup. But why does every girl in the family need to look like a porcelain doll? At $100+ per face, that adds up fast. Mommy can handle the little girls—she’ll do a great job, and they’ll feel beautiful.
Savings: Quite a lot—and your simcha will still be beautiful.
Savings: Thousands
8. The Grand Exit
Now let’s talk about the limo and the hotel. Once upon a time, limos were in style, then they were out, and now they’re back in—full rage. On average, a limo to a hotel 45–60 minutes out of Lakewood can run up to $800, plus a tip. Depending on the time of year, hotels can cost anywhere between $250 to $650 per night. And it’s become the custom to book two nights, so the new couple doesn’t have to deal with an 11 a.m. checkout. And also let’s not forget the Chosson’s friend, who has to drive the Chosson’s car to the hotel, check in for him and park it there so that he’ll have it for the next day and then this friend needs to Uber himself back to Lakewood.
So I ask you: who really needs all this, when their apartment is fully set up and ready for them to move into? Why, at the wee hours of the morning, does the couple have to travel an hour away to a hotel—when they could be in their very own set up apartment (with brand new beds and linen) in ten minutes?
The whole hotel thing is a throwback to the past, when no one made weddings in Lakewood and couples didn’t have quick access to their apartment. But today, with beautiful new apartments ready to go, there’s just no reason to waste this kind of time and money.
If you want to mark the occasion, rather invest a little bit of money decorating the apartment and making it special for the occasion. That will actually mean something.
Savings: $1,000-2,200
I’m sure there are more ways to save, I’ll leave those for others.
If you have gotten this far in this letter, I thank you for reading. Here is my fear though. You’ll read this letter, agree with some things, disagree with others- and then, move on to other tasks and tend to life in general. Within 24 hours, this will be all but forgotten.
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Are people really doing all this stuff? As someone who is married almost 10 years, I’m kind of wishing I got married more recently 🙂
Loll my thoughts exactly. Married 10 years too
the only thing i do not agree to is the cheaper shaitel.
How about all the liquor at all the events. Way too much. I would say it needs to start with the organization dinners. Way over the top. In all areas. So of course a wedding needs to top the events. After all a wedding is expected to be the biggest event we have. That is our menorah. So we need the rabonim who on the letterheads of the organization to start taking responsibility. When your name is on the letter u are setting the standard. The Rabonim should not go to any event where they spend more than a takanah. Wedding.
If you want to have liquor, go for it. But nobody is obligated to do so. These gifts and gowns are obligatory, and they should be stopped.
The most art a shaitels is completely not true: A regular wig not expensive company cost between $2500-$3500 depending on the length your chilies needs… and this is not expensive this is standard wig brands.
As the Fall goes it’s completely wrong what you said as a women around town this is not true that they stop wearing them after Shana Rishona not sure where you got that from. They wear them all day at work and ladies do not stop wearing them so quickly. You are wrong!! No man should be talking about the wig industry when they know nothing!!
I 100% agree with you regarding the fall- if anything drop the second wig and get 2 falls- girls wear them 12x more then regular wigs… just look around town
lol relax! The guy may be a little mufka but overall he has good ideas. I can’t figure out why you are taking this so personally, 🤷🏻
Maybe because they work in the Shaitel industry… I know because I am involved – My involvement is in paying the Shaitel collection my wife has!
There is a medrash that says the malachim laugh at those that don’t spend on their child’s wedding.
While I’m not advocating we spend outrageous amounts, it’s important to do things per the normal standard in your community.
Looking to penny pinch is not the best approach.
That said, as long as vorts, sheitels, gowns, makeup, dating and hotels are “normal” they should be done within your means.
As for cars, why buy one at all? As you admit because that’s the norm nowadays, so too is most of what you suggested be cut.
The message should be that you don’t need to impress others with your spending. Most people can’t afford even cheap weddings, so saving 200 on a date won’t really help them and they don’t relate to the message.
Bh in Lakewood we have made great strides in making weddings and expectations more in line with reality and less extravagant. Let’s keep the momentum with realistic goals, not just fantasy wishes.
If we’re going that route you could’ve suggested a Friday afternoon backyard wedding which is how it was done years ago.
‘doing what’s normal’ is the most expensive phrase in the lakewood language.
what he suggested was very acceptable less than 10 years ago. it’s people who are scared to not keep up with their wealthy friends that raise the ‘norm’
I agree. Well said.
Let the malachim laugh. We can also laugh, all the way to the bank.
Actually, backyard wedding are quite pricy. Usually far more than takana weddings.
That ‘medrash’ is non-existent. Some chassidishe clothing store has it hanging on the wall, quoted from some obscure chassidishe rebbe.
And it is absolute nonsense.
How about the yichud Room Gift – it got a lot more expensive… Hwd that happen? seems like Kallah gifts evolved vs the Choson gifts from a gold watch to stainless steel…
At least The Choson watch will be worn for a long time vs. the kalah gifts need to be upgraded pretty fast.
Book 2 nights? That’s a new one! Have someone with status book you a room or ask the management they Usually will give you an hour or 2 late checkout – I thought the limo is a friend thing – Are your kids taking you for a ride? not sure about skipping the hotel – walking into your development at 1 in the morning!…
Agree with not skipping hotel…. its a certain sensitivity.
We need a kol koreh
We need a 3 day convention in some top tier hotel and bring in the top speakers from around the country and perhaps beyond to address this issue and the gedolim need to sign a kol korei….
My point is, it’s all true and practical advice but noone is going to listen, at least not the people that are blessed with money and don’t know what to do with it…
The author is not asking anyone “to listen.” He is inviting likeminded people to share cost-saving ideas. Not sure how its even possible to be against it.
Very well put! Every single suggestion is spot-on. You didn’t mention anything about setting up the apartment. That is a whole new chapter on its own!
This is not just a spending issue. It is also a חינוך issue. Our kids have a sense of entitlement that just keeps getting larger and larger. Parents are pressured to spending more than they can realistically afford because they are trying to buy their children’s love. It does not work because there is always one more thing that is “needed”. This is something that should be discussed in schools, starting kindergarten!
I sincerely hope that your ideas get incorporated into our culture. Thank you for the practical suggestions.
Let’s really go back to basics & put the extra money to good use.
There was a Rebbe that took in teenage Holocaust survivors who had lost everything & had nothing.
Weddings were officiated by the Rebbe in the living room with the Rebbetzin catering the meal in the dining room.
How much would that cost today?
What an awesome letter!!
I agree with everything!!!
This should all become the norm!
Ty!!!!
My father and father-in-law each gave me 1000 towards my car, and I didn’t get married so long ago. Now you’re making me feel bad I didn’t ask for more 😉. And I didn’t have most of the things you mention here either
Be thankful. be happy. That makes you and your wife better people. You’re also probably more likely to be kol kulo torah then the others.
what does learning have to do with being a rabbi ? do they have semicha?
Thank you for finally pointing out all the stuff we have gotten sucked into!!
As someone who works in the wedding industry (think along the line of the parts that are included in the “takanah” package) it was refreshing to hear you “pick on” other aspects that we are “allowed” to keep spending on after receiving the discounted hall rates (p.s. we took need to make a parnossa but we were capped in order to be able to keep working in certain halls).
It sickens me how much people spend on “one night”. Yes, this list included a lot of aspects of setting up the marriage but you know what I mean.
I just heard of “shabbos awkward/gehennom” gifts. What is going on?
Why are the parents who got married with so much less (within the last 25 years) inclined to spoil our children so much more when in reality we were ok with less? We were not so “traumatized” (that the rich had more. That is a story throughout history) that we have to put ourselves into hock.
Stay in your price bracket lane & stop blurring the lines.
People are not happier having more stuff.
Its not that they are inclined to spend so much more on their children it is more that they are trying to keep up with the jones in today’s society we live for the neighbors
That makes them not good Jews. See pirkei Avos what makes someone wealthy, aka rich.
Probably the less emotional and more secure and working people agree with almost all these savings and more.
Many more emotional and non-working people would disagree with any savings and would like to spend up to the top as the couple only has their one time getting married and therefore you should go for broke.
Often these are people married to each other and the spender wins.
So ….oh well, just gotta deal with it.
Take some meds and therapy to escape the stress and stop complaining
Oh and make sure you have life insurance too.
Ok I’m rolling into sarcasm at this point
But you get the drift
in the shtetl where everyone was kodesh and a yirey shomayim my zeyda got married on a Friday to have the Shabbos meal act as the seudah for the wedding, no music and I guarantee they were not going to therapy or “finding themselves” we need the pure kedusha of the shtetel to be back.
Not often that you see such a great practical letter which, I believe, 99% of people agree with! Starting with the vort, don’t we all feel the same? Let’s stop worrying about the 1% and live our own lives.
And besides, a simcha in your own home (even if it’s a simpler house) has so much more of a nicer feeling.
We got married not too long ago. However we got married a bit older. We made our own wedding – parents helped some and we covered the rest and organized it. Its funny how different than described when I knew that a gift to me would come out of my wife’s bank account – soon to be our joint account. Suddenly the $1000 dollar watch doesn’t look so appealing any more.
As we discovered, you can do all the meaningful photo gifts without breaking the bank. Snapfish has some great options. The goal is to be be meaningful, it doesn’t need to cost hundreds of dollars. Yichud room gift was a beautiful leather siddur with her name on it and a really nice note. She brought a nice glass tray to my parents when she came for shabbos (cost under 100). I spent a few thousand dollars on the ring, my parents got her tennis bracelet (which she thought was a waste, but I told to just take it) and her parents got me a Shas. Other than that it was small cute meaningful gifts not based on any “schedule”
We had a takana wedding. No reason at all to do anything more for one night. Got some second hand furniture and some cheaper new furniture. We didn’t feel the need to buy expensive furniture for an apartment that we wouldn’t be living in long term.
Came in with our own cars and ended up upgrading one of our cars a few months into marriage.
Now we have savings to buy a house at some point and we were able to take a nice extended trip after the wedding.
In terms of Shaitels, as someone who has been exposed to the background of the beauty business, Shaitels are mostly a marketing scam similar to to luxury handbags. The margins are crazy, sometimes more than 10X what they are bought wholesale or cost to make. Essentially, the Shaitel sellers will charge based on what they can get (based on how well they have built up their brand or based how wealthy they think the customer is). Many huge Lakewood McMansions have been built on this business practice.
@LakewoodGuy’s comment is great enough as a helpful letter of its own, in addition to the well written letter above.
Another option is every couple pays for their own wedding + expenses
This way instead of one couple paying for all of their children, they just pay for themselves. Take out interest free cards and keep transferring the debt so you can get 5-10 years to pay it off, or maybe some gemachs for this purpose can open up. But it means one wedding cost per couple vs 2,5,10, etc per couple (depending on how many kids they have)
You, and many others, need to learn an important lesson in economics. Nobody can build a system based on beating or outwitting the system. Individuals can outwit the system, but not a society. Zero balance cards exist because the card companies figured out a way to make money with it. If everyone juggles balances, they wouldn’t exist. The public cannot use this as a method of spending.
I hope my daughter gets engaged soon and would love to make lchaim/vort on my house, but there is NO parking in my development!! I also only have one entrance for men/women…….hmph!
Make it earlier in the evening so less people come, make it the day of the Shiduch and only invite parents siblings and a few close friends, the kallahs friends can came later at night, they don’t need any fancy decor and cakes etc…. the Kallah will also not need an expensive dress if it’s done in this format. FYI some chasidish Kehilos do this and save anywhere between 5 and $10,000.
Chasidim are ahead of the game. Aside from the expensive gifts, they get to the finish line just as happily without many of the expenses listed above.
Too many generalizations and too much detail that is incorrect, but the overall concept is mostly ok.
Many of the details are family specific as well.
For example, if most of your family live out of town and the wedding is on Sunday, the aufruf is going to have to be a production.